From a room conversation with Srila Prabhupada and
Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja among others in Vrindavan on Nov 3, ‘77
Bhakti-caru: [Bengali] Gaura-Govinda Mahārāja.
Gaura-Govinda: It’s okay. Bhāgavata has arrived. Bhāgavata has arrived, so I came here to have darśana.
Gaura-Govinda: We have been to Jagannātha Purī, and some jagannātha-prasāda we have brought for you. Will you take some?
Prabhupāda: [Bengali] What work he gives? [Bengali]
Gaura-Govinda: Now we’ll begin construction. Our architect-engineer, Saṁjāta, was there. He was planning, and he was making plans, but unfortunately he passed away the last 23rd. So…
Prabhupāda: What happened?
Gaura-Govinda: He suffered from fever. He had some fever, high fever. So he fell unconscious. The doctor came and gave some medicine. The fever was checked, but he gave some high-power medicines that affected his brain, and so he couldn’t speak. He just collapsed and stayed still. We came to the hospital that night. Doctor tried his best. He gave saline and oxygen. He stayed the whole night, but at the daybreak he passed away, when the morning came, just on the morning, 23rd morning. It was ekādaśī day. That day he passed away. And on the day Bhāgavata reached. The very moment Bhāgavata reached there, he passed away.
Prabhupāda: Doctor gives treatment, not reliable. They make experiment.
Bhakti-caru: [Bengali about Jagannātha prasāda]
Prabhupāda: No… Kono… Give me some taste. I lost taste.
Bhakti-caru: [offers miśri-jala]
Gaura-Govinda: With me it is Bhaktivikāśa Mahāyogī Mahārāja at Bhadrak who has donated that maṭha at Bhadrak. We have started new center? He has come with me to see you.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Where is he?
Prabhupāda: Bhaktivikāśa Mahārāja, daṇḍavat. [Bengali]
Prabhupāda: [Bengali, asks about Parvat Mahārāja] What is the position of Bhadrak?
Gaura-Govinda: Bhadrak, there are three devotees now—Ātma-tattva, Kṛṣṇadāsa and Rohiṇī-nandana—and they were preaching and making some members. Bhadrak is a good place for preaching. And I also come there. Just on the 1st November, there was a festival that on that day Caitanya Mahāprabhu arrived there when He was going from Jagannātha Purī to Vṛndāvana. They observe that festival. So they have invited us to speak in that meeting on that day. Bhāgavata and I came. There was a great festival, and we do nagara-saṅkīrtana in the evening. In the meeting Bhāgavata spoke and then I spoke. This was very nice.
Prabhupāda: People are coming?
Gaura-Govinda: Yes, people are coming. People are coming. It is nice. In Bhadrak they have eight acres of land there. It’s cultivated land. If we can manage ourselves, then that will be nice. Now this Mahārāja has given it to other agents. They’ll take half and give the half. Nobody was there to look after it. So if we look after it now personally, and take it up ourselves, then it will be managed nicely. And there are two cows also, it has got.
Prabhupāda: The arrangement is nice.
Gaura-Govinda: It requires a little modification. We made some constructions there for brahmacārīs. There is one Deity room, that is pakka house, and one more… [break] [whispering] …Anantadeva and Dr. Śyāmasundara.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I’ve been writing them.
Gaura-Govinda: Yes, they have written letters to Prabhupāda. [whispering]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You can talk out loud. You can talk now. You said Anantadeva and Śyāmasundara dāsa Brahmacārī, they were dealing with the pāṇḍās.
Gaura-Govinda: Pāṇḍās. So recently Śyāmasundara Brahmacārī wrote me a letter to come to make Bhāgavata if I went there. He made proposal that we start nirjok sevā[?] there at the Jagannātha temple, Anantadeva’s proposal.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nirjok sevā? What is that?
Gaura-Govinda: Nirjok sevā means we’ll purchase a fireplace, chimney, and also a little cooking. And we’ll give him rice, ḍāl, sabjī, cooking prasādam, and that would be offered to Jagannātha, Lord Jagannātha. Then they would use that prasādam. They would distribute it or… That is nirjok sevā. That maṭha has appealed like that, “Do this thing.” Then they will recognize us, and in that way we will get permission to enter.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who will get permission?
Gaura-Govinda: There is one committee there. It is pāṇḍā’s committee and the temple management committee.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But who will be allowed to enter?
Gaura-Govinda: That will be passed in that committee.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, but they will allow Western people to enter Jagannātha temple?
Gaura-Govinda: Yes, yes. They have talked with that Anantadeva and Śyāmasundara, but they want money.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They want nirjok sevā or they also want money?
Gaura-Govinda: By giving us permission, nirjok sevā means indirectly they want money. They’ll take money, then they’ll give us permission to do nirjok sevā and also, that way, entrance into the Jagannātha temple.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. So how much money?
Gaura-Govinda: I talked with that Śyāmasundara and Anantadeva. He said thirty-six groups are there, nirjoks, pāṇḍāgroups. And administrator is there. They want something, and all groups want something. [whispering] One lakh of rupee.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One lakh of rupees to see Jagannātha. But we can see Jagannātha in any temple in the world. Why do we have to pay one lakh of rupees? Śrīla Prabhupāda? I was saying that we don’t have to pay one lakh of rupees to see Lord Jagannātha in Los Angeles.
Prabhupāda: Let them pray to Jagannātha for my cure immediately, or as soon as possible, I shall do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If they pray to Lord Jagannātha for your cure…
Bhavānanda: Immediately or as soon as possible, then he’ll…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. First they should do the praying.
Prabhupāda: Let me be in health. Then I’ll do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do you understand? Prabhupāda says that the answer is that first of all they should pray to Kṛṣṇa for Prabhupāda’s cure, pray to Jagannātha for Prabhupāda’s cure immediately, for his health. And then, when he is physically fit, then he will do the needful. But first of all, by their prayers to Jagannātha, they should make him physically fit. Is that right, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who did you have talk with? Anantadeva or Śyāmasundara?
Prabhupāda: Who is Anantadeva?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda said, “Who is Anantadeva?”
Gaura-Govinda: Anantadeva… They have written letters to you, from that Śyāmasundara Brahmacārī and Anantadeva.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But Anantadeva is connected with which group?
Gaura-Govinda: He is a disciple of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He’s disciple of Bhaktisiddhānta or Bhaktisiddhānta’s disciple’s disciple?
Gaura-Govinda: No, Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gaura-Govinda Mahārāja says he is your Godbrother, Śrīla Prabhupāda. There’s thirty-six pāṇḍās?
Gaura-Govinda: Thirty-six groups nirjoks.
Gaura-Govinda: Yes. [break]
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SOURCE: Prabhupada Vani